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matt3706
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(10/23/00 9:30:10 pm)
Cinderella Questions???
Can somebody help me. I'm writing a paper for my class on comparing different versions of Cinderella. I was going to use Perault's version and some other one I dont know yet. I have been having trouble finding websites that talk about the meanings behind the stories and what not. If anybody knows anything, could you please help me. Thanks

karen
Unregistered User
(10/23/00 11:37:25 pm)
Cinders
If you're interested in variants, *The Classic Fairy Tales* (ed. Maria Tatar, Norton) will give you some of the main ones, all collected together- for Cinderella and several other well-known tales.
Were you going to consider the All Fur/ Thousandfur narratives at all? (Perrault's version is "Donkeyskin" and the Grimm tale is called "Allerleirauh"). These stories contain elements of the Cinderella tale but their explicit father-daughter incest theme makes them less palatable to modern audiences... It might be interesting to consider them as well.
Good luck

Karen.

Terri
Registered User
(10/23/00 11:57:43 pm)
Re: Cinderella Questions???
My personal favorite is the Italian version, Cat Cinderella, which is older than the Perrault tale,
and contains a more fiesty heroine.

A good source of information for all the Cinderella variants is "Cinderella: A Casebook," edited by Alan
Dundes, published in paperback by The University of Wisconsin Press.

Jane Yolen's now-classic essay on the tale can be found in her book "Touch Magic," recently
republished by Philomel, and Marina Warner discusses the tale in her history of fairy tales:
"From the Beast to the Blonde"

A short article I wrote a while back on the history of the Cinderella tale is posted on the Endicott
web site: www.endicott-studio.com/forashs.html

And Heidi's Surlalune Fairy Tale Pages web site has good Cinderella links:
www.surlalunefairytales.com

I hope these resources help.

Kerrie
Registered User
(10/24/00 2:40:38 am)
Re: Cinderella Questions???
www.ucalgary.ca/~dkbrown/cinderella.html
www-dept.usm.edu/~engdept...rella.html

The above are two sites I've found helpful as well. The first is from the Children's Literature Web Guide and the second is from the Cinderella Project. I also highly recommend the sites Terri listed above.

Kerrie

Midori
Unregistered User
(10/24/00 4:32:53 am)
Cinderella results
Hey, and when you've finished your paper, it would be great to read a little of what you discovered. I hope you will be up for posting back to us your various thoughts on the tale. Thanks!

Eirenical
Registered User
(10/24/00 7:30:55 am)
Re: Cinderella results
I've always found Cinderella fascinating. She--or her incarnation--has appeared in nearly every culture in the world, arguably as far back as the Egyptians. Each version can be extremely telling about the culture that it emerges from. The Disney version, for example, has a LOT to say about American cultural values.

Depending on what interests you, I suggest the Disney version along with one or two others: one older and one more recent. (If you want to take the feminist angle, you can compare the heroine/hero relationship in each version and how the roles each character plays have evolved.) For a more recent version, I would suggest _Ella Enchanted_ by Gail Carson Levine. The best comprehensive listing of Cinderella books I have ever found in one place is here: www.shens.com/cinder.htm Most of them are picture books, but as many different versions from as many cultures and you could ever want. I'm not sure how many of them your local library will carry, though.

The online versions listed in the posts above are good, and I'll add just a couple more:

Native American version, Mi'kmaq Indian Cinderella and the Invisible One (also called the rough faced girl in some books)
www.kstrom.net/isk/stories/cinder3.html

The Cinderella Bibliography, put together by Russell Peck
www.ub.rug.nl/camelot/cinder/cinintr.htm

I've done a lot of research on this (and written a few papers myself), and those, along with the sites above, are the best online resources I've found. Unless you're looking for different fairy tales, and then there are a slew of other URLs I could send you.

Terri
Registered User
(10/25/00 12:19:39 am)
Re: Cinderella Questions???
Matt: Midori is right, we would love to see the results of your work.
Eirenical: I can't believe you've just been lurking, girl, when you clearly have a strong background in the subject. I'm glad you're posting now.

Edited by: Terri at: 10/25/00 12:21:04 am

JgigglesF
Unregistered User
(10/25/00 11:29:52 am)
Looking for Cinderella story for Forensics
Hello, if you happen to know a good version of the Cinderella story that could be read aloud in 5-8 minutes, and is available on the internet to print out, could you please tell me what the address is? Thanks!

Gregor9
Registered User
(11/1/00 6:54:36 am)
Cinderella
Eirenical,
A few years back I was plotting out a series on fairy tales and legends for The Discovery Channel (it hasnít happened yet, but the producers would still like to do it), and one article I ran across claimed that the earliest version of the story was Chinese. Does the Egyptian one predate this?

And thanks for the informative sites. If the show ever actually comes together, youíre going to get a phone call.
GF

Jennifer
Unregistered User
(11/4/00 7:30:11 am)
Cinderella
Hi--

I am doing quite a bit of work on the tale myself. My research has concentrated on contemporary tales. One of the versions that I like a lot is The Moon Ribbon by Jane Yolen. It adds some interesting fantasy to the plot. Tanith Lee also has an evocative version in 'When the Clock Strikes'.

have fun!
Jennifer

Kate
Unregistered User
(11/4/00 1:08:50 pm)
"Egyptian Cinderella"
Gregor,

I am by no means an expert on Cinderella tales, though I've done quite a bit of writing and teaching on them as well. It is my understanding that the tale now known as "The Egyptian Cinderella" (which is a popular children's book by the same title) is a blending of an Egyptian myth from about 69 BC (the date I keep reading in reference to it, the time of the last pharoah) and other Cinderella tales that post-date that ancient story. I could be wrong about this, though it is what I've read several places. Information on the tale's precise lineage is tough to come by, it seems. But from what I know, which is, sorry to say, scant, some of the imagery (the dirty face, the heroine's course) lend themselves well to other Cinderella motifs, and thus, something that can be classified as an "Egyptian Cinderella" eventually, long ago, emerged. I am by no means suggesting it is impossible that the Chinese Cinderella (do you mean 'Yeh-Sien') is not the oldest known version of this variant. By the way, I have seen claims several places that "indeed, Cinderella began in Egypt" though these comments never seem to include much precise historical information beyond that statement. Myself, I am wary of any such claim, whether for the Egyptian, the Chinese--or rather, they don't interest me all that much except to note how very old these stories are. One must always ask 'known to whom?' If you ask me.

The Egyptian tale is quite popular right now, you might be interested to know, in grade schools.

I apologize for the vagueness of this reply and its unacademic tone, but maybe it will help you in your research on this Egyptian tale. I would really like to know what you find out--and Eirenical, what you also know about it, clearly more than I know!

By the way, the possible Discovery program you are tossing around sounds really interesting. I'd love to hear more about it as it progresses. I once proposed a similar project to a women's network on the history of Cinderella tales that is still in very nascent stages, and may never materialize...as these things go...

Kate

Kate
Unregistered User
(11/4/00 1:15:15 pm)
Postscript
Just a postscript to my last note: I don't mean to imply that it's not fascinating and important to trace these stories as far back as possible to some root source, at all. Just that I take any 'final' claims as tenuous at best, or at least counter to my own more fluid approach to history and time, which keeps a glance on politics' role in knowledge. (A la Foucault.)

I hope my last posting didn't sound dismissive, in other words--especially in my first response to you, Gregor and Eirenical, whom I have not yet 'met' electronically here. Ah, neurosis on a Saturday afternoon.

Thanks.

Kate

Kate
Unregistered User
(11/4/00 1:17:31 pm)
Post-postscript
Oops, Gregor--we did indeed 'meet' on Bluebeard. Which was quite helpful. Of course. I must go get some more coffee. Immediately!

Gregor9
Registered User
(11/4/00 4:49:21 pm)
The first Cinderella
Kate,
Thank you for all your information. I walked into the Discovery show proposal quite by accident: I was working on another show for the same producers--about werewolves, which was produced and shown in the US as part of a series called "Science Frontiers" a couple years back.
For the Cinderella show, someone had already assembled the material, and I wrote up a proposal for it and twelve other episodes (no doubt the curse of 13 did us in). So I didn't dig any deeper than the articles that they'd already accumulated, since the series never came to fruition. (If it had, I'd have been neck deep in fairy and folk tales two years ago.) If it does come round again, I'll have much more to work with thanks to you (and everyone else throwing in on this).
We'll no doubt meet on Bluebeard again.
Greg

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